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tonight, exclusive, who was the real michael jackson? his protege who lived at neverland reveals what she knows about michael's kids, his relationship with other children and the boy named omar, is he the pop star's secret son? then, shark scare. will you go in the water knowing this out there? meet the people who dared to take a dip and came face-to-face with a mouthful of dagers.
they survived. and they're here to share their death-defying stories next on "larry king live." i'm jim moret from "inside edition" sitting in tonight for larry king. our first guest is niesha kataria. she is a protege of michael jackson and lived at neverland in 2003. she is an artist in her own right, thanks for joining us. >> thank you so much for having me. >> tell me about meeting michael jackson, how that came about? >> michael jackson's manager got a hold of my demo and listened to my track "i will always love you" originally done by whitney houston. they were sitting in neverland and he played michael my "i will always love you" song. michael said wow, who is this
girl? can you call her? the next thing you know we drove to california and we met michael. the first time i met him he had a big smile on his face. he gave me a hug. prince and paris and grace the nanny were in a hug. >> you were living in phoenix at the time? >> yes. we lived in phoenix and drove to california to meet him. >> so did you go to neverland to meet him? >> yes. we drove into neverland. i remember seeing the big neverland ranch sign. you feel him. i hadn't seen him yet. he had the biggest smile on his face the moment he walked into the library. >> for those who haven't been there the gates are intimidating and you drive through and it is a long way to get to the house. >> yeah. >> what was it like? describe that first meeting. your impressions of michael jackson? >> he is the biggest star in the
universe, the most recognizable man on this planet. i was super nervous. he came in with a huge smile. paris and prince came in and grused themselves to me. they were about to shake my hands and michael said we don't shake hands in this family. we give hugs. so they gave me a hug. we sat down and started having a conversation. he asked me to sing for him. i asked him what would you like to hear. he said would you sing "i will always love you." he said nisha, you have the voice of an angel. >> you eventually moved in for a short time to neverland? >> yes, i did. he decided he wanted to record with me. me and my mom moved into one of the guest units and lived there. >> what was that like to live at neverland? it has been described as part
playground, fantasy land. there were statues. there was a zoo. what was living there like? >> every morning when we would open our windows we would look at the lake. there were two elephants being bathe. there is music playing throughout the ranch and a movie theater. everything you could ever dream of was at the ranch. it was one of the best experiences of my life living there. >> how long did you live there? >> a little over two months. >> you recorded with michael jackson? >> yes. we recorded a song he wrote and we rodded it in the private studio another the ranch. >> do you expect that it will be released? >> i really hope so. we are talking about maybing a tribute and putting it on my album. >> joe jackson was responding to a young man, omar vatti, is
michael's son. take a look at this. >> michael may have had another child. omar is his name. he was sitting right there next to reebie and everyone was trying to connect some dots. do you know that is michael's other son? >> yes. i knew he had another son. yes, i did. >> he looks like a jackson. >> oh, yes. he looks like a jackson. he ats like a jackson. he can dance like a jackson. >> nisha, you knew omar. what is your reaction to that clip? >> i mean, i saw him in the ranch. he lived there when i lived there. i actually, the first time i actually got to meet him was the second time i sang for michael i sang "because you loved me." michael and eli and omar and prince came in and sat down and michael was telling them, okay, listen. you have to hear her sing.
this was before i moved in. they were looking at each other smiling. he was always smiling. friendly boy. >> cnn has not been able to confirm joe jackson's assertion that omar is, in fact, michael jackson's son. omar himself has denied any biological connection to michael jackson. nisha, you mentioned paris and prince and blanket. paris was about 6 or 5 and prince a year older, blanket just a baby. did you see them interact at all with michael jackson as a dad? >> i did. you would think -- these kids could have anything they wanted because michael jackson is their father. me and my mom and michael and prince were in the movie theater. there is a concession stand with all the popcorn and candy you could ask for. we were in the theater and my mom offered prince a candy bar and michael told her politely he can't have anymore today.
he already had some. so you could tell they were disciplined kids and close to their father and polite, friendly kids. >> the world first saw paris at michael's memorial. many people were surprised. she was almost elegant and very sweet and spoke from the heart. how did you find all three kids. >> they are adorable kids. one incident when grace was driving us from the movie theater to the main house because it is a little bit far. i was in the front passenger seat. and paris and my mom were in the back. and paris kept tapping on my shoulder and hiding. i would look back. she played peek-a-boo games. she was a cute, normal kids. >> so many people have misconceptions that michael and his children had an odd
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as we told you, she, her voice first attracted michael jackson. the song "i will always love you" played a key role in her connection. let's listen to a little of nisha singing it. ♪ and i will always love you ♪ i will always love you ♪ i will always love you >> nisha, you were 17 when you sang that? >> yeah, i was. >> wow. you said michael jackson said you have a sois of an angel. it is beautiful. what was it like recording with him? >> incredible. this is the man behind "billie jean" and those amazing songs. being in the studio and seeing the master at work, walk around
the studio and come up with these ideas in his head right in front of you. he could come up with a melody and said nisha, sing this line. they would record it. it was amazing seeing him doing it right in front of me and giving me the song. it was an incredible feeling. >> nisha, when was the last time you spoke to michael jackson? >> i spoke to him in 2003. at the radio music awards. >> so what brought your time at neverland to an end? >> this was right before the police raided the ranch. for the trial that he had to go through. >> that trial, he was acquitted on all charges. >> yes. >> it is because of that trial, i talked to his criminal lawyer, he never wanted to go back to neverland. did you talk to him at all? >> he never went back to never land. we were the last guests to live
with him at neverland. he never went back there. >> what is your reaction to the way michael jackson has been treated and publicly portrayed. you spent time with him more than most people. >> he is the nicest human being i have met in my life. for one of the most successful people in the world for him to open his heart and to invite me and my family to move into neverland and for him to take a girl with a big voice who has a dream, he decided he wanted to be the man to put me out to the world. that tells a lot about a person to open up their home to australian known girl. he treated me like family. >> do you feel in a way you have lost a guardian angel? >> i do. it hasn't sunk in yet that he is gone. he is definitely going to remain alive through his music. >> how did you find out he had passed away? >> i was actually in phoenix where i live and my manager
called me and told me to put it on cnn. at that time they were just saying he had been hospitalized. i never imagined it would get any worse than that. i got in the car to drive somewhere and my manager told me, he passed away. so i pulled into a parking lot and my manager was crying and i was crying. i have never heard him cry like that. my manager was with him for ten years, worked for him for ten years. so they had a really close relationship as well. it was very sad and unbelievable. >> he took you under his wing and you stayed at neverland for a couple of months. what advice did he give you from one artist to another? >> one of the best things he told me this is actually a telephone conversation we had when i was living at neverland. he told me, nisha, you are going to do very well. i said thank you. he said if you take an average singer and you give them an incredible song then they'll do
well. you take a wonderful singer such as yourself and give them an amazing song, they've got it made. so just coming from him it meant so much. >> listening to that clip you are clearly a wonderful singer. >> thank you. >> thanks for joining us tonight. >> thank you so much. >> michael's children, can they move forward and in peace now that a custody agreement has been apparently reached? back with some answers in 60 seconds. stay with us. some lunch. you hungry? yeah. me too. (door crashes in) (broadview alarm) (gasp and scream) go! go! go! go! go! go! (phone rings) hello? this is mark with broadview security. is everything okay? no. someone just tried to break in. i'm sending help right now. thank you. (announcer) brink's home security is now broadview security. call now to install the standard system for just $99. the proven technology of a broadview security system
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between katherine and debbie rowe to get visitation with her biological children from a medical standpoint, psychiatrist position, they don't know her as their mom. is this going to be difficult? >> they are not going to know anybody as their mom. that is probably the female in their life they may know the most, hopefully. that is what you want to look for. a tight bond or one that has already started. >> dr. golland, i'm sure they look at the internet. they must know who debbie rowe is. they have never been introduced. they call her misdebbie. >> right. they never called her mom. >> they are dealing with the loss of a dad. >> they are dealing with a loss of their parent, what was a single parent, right? they are having to deal with the grief around that at the time that i think what has happened with the media is i think the grief process has been a little
stunted. hopefully now with the custody battle being resolved, even the camp, katherine and all of them can focus on the kids. >> the best interest of the child has to be upfront. they have to be emotionally safe and able to allowed to be children and live and become whole. >> neil, you have a lot of experience in custody issues. with an agreement in place, they still have to go before a judge. you know this judge. you like this judge. >> yes, i do. >> what are the odds this judge will approve it? >> i think it is a certainty. that the kids can get finality. get some normalcy. i think the judge is going to be delighted and very, very happy. i expect to see monday a permanent order in place. >> but only to the extent that katherine jackson remains alive. >> yes, of course. >> you believe there is no, not
necessarily an agreement in place for what happens next. they could be back in court in a few years? >> i'm almost certain -- by the way, legally they couldn't make an agreement that is legally binding if katherine passes away. i'm certain there is no agreement. after katherine passes, it should be a long time hopefully, you will see people coming around. >> you have a child psychologist to bridge the biological mom to these children. >> how does that work? >> hopefully the visitation is monitored, where is visitation? when is visitation? who is present? >> does a child psychologist say to two of the kids, this is your mom and how does that happen? >> it has to start with asking those children questions. what is their current understanding and make that determination to decide where to bridge.
finding out where the other child is rooted. they need a family. they have one. they have a support. they have aunts, uncles, cousins, a bio mom. >> the maternal figure will be multiple women. it is going to be the aunts. there may be a place for debbie rowe. >> there is safety in numbers. >> it needs to be solid and consistent. >> i have a different take on this a little bit. i think debbie rowe's involvement is going to be very tangential even though they are saying she is going to start seeing them. you know, on one side of this equation it could look like they are grooming debbie rowe to come back into the children's lives in case something happened to katherine. i suspect that is probably not going to happen. i think she is going to be a figure in their lives, in their lives for the reasons you have said. the kids must know who debbie rowe is.
i don't think miss rowe is going to play a significant role. >> you are talking about kids 7, 11 and 12. they are each dealing with something very different. >> yes. >> their perceptions are very different. >> in a normal grieving process there needs to be honesty age appropriate, but i think what was also out there was the fact they didn't know who debbie rowe was. i think truthfully as a larger society we are dealing what it means to have a surrogate. look, we have jessica parker. this is about what it means to have a surrogate and how do we as a culture and society deal with that role. >> these are blended families. that is the way america is. if the court is going to sanction it, that is great. if they are going to support it, that is great. you saw these children hanging on to their aunt. they are connected. how could a dispute over jackson's estate affect the children? less able to absorb calcium.
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welcome back to "larry king live." we have a caller from staten island. your question. >> caller: i wonder what diana ross' opinion is about her being the one to have the kids if anything happened to katherine jackson. >> it is my understanding that diane ross was next in line. >> diana ross is listed in a will, the suggestion of the person making the will. >> that is not binding? >> that is not binding on the court. the fact she did not come forward indicates she suggested katherine's request for the kids. it was an indication what
michael would have liked. that's all. >> we have another call from buffalo, new york. your question? beautiful. you are on. can you hear me? >> caller: yes, i can. >> go ahead, please. >> caller: i'm wondering how the smallest child blanket fits into this. the other two know who their mom are. what is going to happen to him? >> that is a great question. when you talk about a sense of loss. two of the kids will know they have a mom. one will have lost everything. how do you deal with blanket? >> you need to find out what he does know. it is building the three of them based on the commonality of their dad. i have a lot of patients who lost both patients, one parent, you build them together. solidifying him into the mix is much more important than finding out who his biological mother or father is.
>> societally we need to understand there are different forms of family now. even for blanket, we don't know what the agreement was with the surrogate mother. i know with clients and other people they have an agreement in the future if the child wants to know who is surrogate is, there can be contact. i think it is a real educational moment for our country around what surrogates are. >> neal is shaking her head. the surrogate mother may not know she is the surrogate mother? >> my sense is that this woman is out of the picture and you will never see her coming around ever. >> find out what the kid knows and guide appropriately. >> absolutely. >> the custody is settled but the estate could find itself in a battle. how would that affect the kids? there may know battle lines are
being drawn. >> they would end up feeling as if they are a commodity. whoever has them is attached to the money. their identity becomes infeuded with this sense of financial gain by whoever is attached with them. >> a gain you would hope the solid adults keep that from them and let them be the children. >> jim, i think you are going to see the financial aspects go swimmingly and smoothly. >> why do you say that? >> because the beneficiaries of his estate are one, his mother, and two, his children. they are all living together. it is going to be one happy family and i think that the disputes are going to be resolved very peacefully, far more so than we thought. >> again, best interest of the children. >> when you are talking about best interest of the children they may see news reports about their father the investigation.
michael jackson by his own admission had a problem, addiction with the drugs. that layered on top of the loss, how do you deal with that? >> i think every child needs to know who their parent is, age appropriately. you expect the adults to help them deal with it. >> give us a sense, where would these kids be now, five, six weeks out, it is still fresh? >> oh, they are raw. >> they are in trauma. >> they are in a new house. >> new family. >> new community, new friends. maybe a new school. >> yeah. the media has stunted the grieving process. >> exactly. >> one of the biggest things with kids and grieving they get a lot of attention when it happens. this talk about attention, this is a huge amount of attention. >> paparazzi outside the house? >> what do you do when the attention goes away -- >> when the dust settles you deal with the feelings.
>> they will be scrutinized in their lives. >> the masks are off. is that a good thing? >> i think it is a good thing. they need to be real people. they need to know how to be real. >> on the plus side, maybe these kids can get more normalcy in their lives than they could before. it is a terrible thing, a terrible loss but maybe their lives will settle down not having michael with them every day. >> we'll take a break. hold the thought. more of "larry king live" right after this. our bodies can steal it from our bones. give yourself some tlc. tender loving caltrate. and give tlc to somebody you love.
edition" sitting in for larry. what would you tell katherine? she is a grand mom but now she is going to be the mom. what does she do? >> the biggest thing is deal with the grief. >> she is going through grief. she lost her son. >> yeah. yeah. i think it is about stability and answer the questions age appropriately. >> giving them permanence. >> are you expecting these kids are asking questions? >> oh, yeah. >> allowing them to have their feelings is the best thing to do. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> no, no. i was going to say hopefully the family is going to take the resources available to them to make sure the kids have therapists, questions answered and work out these difficult problems. >> we saw paris for the first time at the memorial. most people were stunned by her
grace. what was your reaction? >> he must have been a darn good dad to bring that out in that child. >> even through all that. and let's face it. being a drug addict. dealing with the things. >> she was loved. you could tell that. >> you can see the neam this clip, the family literally and figuratively embracing her. >> you can tell. >> when katherine was looking to get custody you could tell this was a family where she had an ongoing relationship with all these people. >> children respond differently. some children may become more shut down. while some may be emotive and aggressive. and they have have emotional outbursts. to understand that personalities may shift. that is how children deal with the sadness and anger.
>> allow them emotional space. neal, briefly, we have 30 seconds, do you think these kids can have a normal life? >> i actually do. i'm hopeful things will settle down and get into a routine that is normalized. hopefully that will happen. >> i agree. i'm very hopeful. >> i think so. i also think as long as katherine can provide safety and permanence they should be on a good path. >> charles sophy, michelle golland, neal hersh. when we come back, sharks, not lawyers, sharks. turn swimmers into survivors. i'm a lawyer, too. it is a swimmer's worst nightmare. >> in waters off hawaii a shark attacked a snorkleer. >> these are pictures of the victim's arm taken shortly after the attack. >> by the end of july, it is the story of the summer. but the summer of the shark is just getting started.
edition" sitting in for jim moret. it is shark week on discovery. joining me andy deehart, patrick walsh is a shark attack survivor. he took a video. in pensacola, florida, chuck anderson is here. he lost most of his right arm during a bull shark attack. andy, shark week is 23 year es old? >> the 22 year of discovery year's shark week programming. something about sharks striking a chord in the folks. glad they are tuning in. >> ever since "jaws" i'm terrified when i go to the beach. a lot of people are especially looking at this footage, you understand why. >> absolutely. you are not alone. a lot of people had their lives
changed by "jaws." sharks and we are not comfortable in the water. these animals are no more dangerous than grizzly bears in national parks. >> yes, but there are no grizzly bears in the water. chuck, tell us about your experience? >> i was in gulf shores, alabama. a 64-year-old lady and i went 150 yards from the beach and decided to swim east to the west. about a minute into the swim something hit me from the bottom. i equate it to a fullback terminology in football. it rolled me on my back. i didn't see what it was. i pretty much knew what it was. i started looking around. i put my face down in the water and i saw what it was. it was a big shark. i threw my hands to protect myself and he took all four fingers off my right hand and all that was left is my thumb.
he hit me in my stomach. i have a shark's tooth scar. the fourth time i saw the fin coming through the water. i heard you all talking about "jaws" and all that was missing was the music. he took me to the bottom, did the feeding frenzy thing. he came to the surface and i was able to get hi hand on his nose. people said i looked like i was skis. we ended up on a sand bar. i was able to wiggle out. when i tried to jerk my arm, he stripped my arm, what they call degloving it. taking it completely off from the elbow. i ran to the beach. >> did people come to your assistance immediately? >> well, actually, the lady i
was swimming with was at the beach. she helped me up to the board walk. two gentlemen came down, took their shirt off and attached a tourniquet. >> how long was the recovery? >> i was in the hospital 13 days in intensive care. aspirated a lot of saltwater. that was probably worse than the blood i lost in my arm. i stadiumed in intensive care for 13 days. got back to walking 15 days, got back in the pool two months after the accident. the accident occurred in june and in april in 2001 i did my first triathlon after the accident. it took a lot of hard work. if you love something and enjoy doing something you don't let a shark attack stop you from doing it. >> that is easier said dheen. i would be terrified. you walk back on the beach for
the very first time. this is the first time i'm going back in. what went through your mind? >> it was difficult the first time i put my face in saltwater. >> you must look over your shoulder. >> i made sure i had a lot of people around me. that was the first time i got back in the water. there were 750 people around me. if i stayed in the middle of the pack i would be safe. chances of getting bitten by a shark are less than getting hit by a car. i figured my chances were pretty good. i have done 15 to 17 triathlons. >> i don't know anyone killed by a vending machine but i will take your word for it. chuck, thank you. >> thank you. some of the scariest footage
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the shock of this gruesome attack is just beginning to sink in for the family of the thompsons. >> doctors amputate krishna's mangled leg. news reports tell his story. >> it is surprising he is alive t. injuries he had he should have bled to death in the bahamas on the beach. >> before we hear krishna's story let's check in with anderson cooper to hear what is coming up. >> we are following breaking news out of florida. the investigation of the brutal murders of byrd and melanie billings. authorities believe there are two motives, robbery and a contract hit. sheriff david morgan calling a late news conference. we are learning michael jackson's autopsy has been delayed indefinitely. randy kay has new details. hunting pythons in florida.
17-foot snake caught yesterday. there are 100,000 pythons in the state on the loose. we'll show you how the state is dealing with them and news on the economy, whether the recession about about to be over. those stories ahead on "360." >> from pythons back to sharks. andy, patrick and chuck are with us. shark week coming up on discovery. krishna thompson, his nightmare is featured in the episode "shark bite summer." you say the narrator wasn't there to say stay out of the water. >> i'm glad. >> you relive it. was it horrific? >> it was. i underestimated the power of the shark. they are so powerful. when i saw that shark coming towards me i thought i could get out of its way. >> how big was it? >> i hear, like, according to
george burgess, i believe he told me eight feet. >> and talk about the power. you said you thought you could outswim or overpower the shark. you clearly couldn't? >> i thought i could but i saw the shark coming from the corner of my eye. i saw the fin coming right toward me and i actually tried to twist my body and throw my body weight toward the land and as i threw my body the shark -- i actually felt the shark's body swim through my leg, my inner knee and caught my left leg in midair between my knee and my ankle. i was just shocked and i was just -- i just couldn't believe it. i started to think about my wife and family and friends and i thought i don't even have any kids yet. i started thinking all these
terrible thoughts. >> did you think you were going to die? >> i tell you one thing, i did think i was going to die because i had no control as far as, you know, when you are in the ocean, jim, and an animal has you and it is at its liberty to live, die or breathe, that is a scary feeling. but you know what, i remained calm, cool and waited the shark out and one of the few things i tried to do is i tried to use my body weight to shake loose. when you know when you are in the pool playing around with friends and you grab them and slip through their fingers. this wasn't happening. i could not get out of its jaws. i remember when the shark caught my leg i heard its teeth go right into my bones.
it towed me out further out into the deep with my waist out of the water. i was just shocked. >> how did you get away? >> through a prayer and a little luck. before you know it, the shark kept towing me out further into the ocean and then i -- like i said i tried to use my body weight to get loose. that did not work. and then before you know it, the shark pulled me down under the water and started shaking me like a rag doll and once -- when the shark was shaking me like a rag doll i just had to tense my body up and i tried to not allow any water to get in my nose or mouth because if that happens it is not going to be good. i would drown. i waited out the shark and when the shark stopped shaking me it was time for action. now it was my time.
i tried to imagine the shark's jaws in relation to my leg. i did not feel pain but i felt pressure. so i threw one punch in that area of where i thought the shark had my leg and then i reached down with both my hands, again, it sounds pretty silly but i was desperate and i released myself. i couldn't believe it. it worked. it actually worked. the shark let me go and spun 360 degrees around after i started giving it combinations to the nose and mouth area. >> you obviously have a good left and right hook. if humans don't taste good to sharks why did a great white go after our next guest? find out after the break. >> in this situation the shark came up at such a steep angle the crew had no opportunity to
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terror. >> welcome back. i'm jim moret of "inside edition." we are talking sharks on "larry king live." patrick was attacked by a great white while cage diving. you were cheating, obviously, and you took video of the attack. his story is featured in the episode "day of the shark." thanks for joining us. you have a visual aid? >> i have a segment of the cage, what is left of it. >> this is substantial. >> pretty strong. >> i mean, it rimmed this right apart? >> yeah. ripped the walls right off. it put a nice bend in it that is from the weight of the tail. >> you heard krishna's story. >> yes. >> you were able to witness the power without suffering personal injury but you clearly saw the power of these sharks. >> yeah. it's immense. this particular shark was
approximately 15 to 16 feet in length. probably close to 2,000 pounds. >> this is you underwater? >> yes. this is my footage. honestly, prior to this shark hitting the cage i thought i was in a cage that there was no chance of it being breached. these cages were substantial. it took a crew of six people to put it into the water. >> sharks are being hunted now. >> right. >> what do you feel about that? do you think they should be protected? >> absolutely. what is going on with sharks being killed for no apparent reason, finning, shark fin soup -- >> what makes areas of the world hot spots for shark attacks. you look at the world, florida the bahamas, what is it?
warm water? there is hawaii. >> the species that live in that region. the great white shark, tiger shark and bull shark which have been featured. diving with those animal cans be incredibly safe. the main hot spot in the world is in florida, new smirna beach, there have been 610 shark attacks in florida, 13 fatalities. these are small sharks. >> you look at the graphics it looks like everywhere people swim there are sharks. we don't want to be alarmist. you respect sharks but have to be mindful. >> absolutely. i have spent well over 1,000 dives with sharks. being at the beach is incredibly safe. driving to the beach is far more dangerous. sharks need to fear from us, we are killing them the rate at 250,000 a day. >> you have to have a great d